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he's a law-abiding citizen. we're not going after law-abiding citizens. as the chief suggested, background checks is to target persons who are prohibited from purchasing and owning firearms. that's who we're going after. and to, you know, have these people talk to us and look us in the eye and say, well, what about the 2%? well, what about, you know, how long it takes to have a background check? what about how inconvenient it is to have a background check? i find that hog wash. americans have spoken up. they want a background check on all gun buyers. we're going to make it happen. you know, these senators are out of touch and they're not listening and i think some of their staff have treated the family members, you know, uncaring and it's unacceptable. >> chief flynn, just speaking to that point, and to the nra talking points, the nra is actually running a new ad that says, most police don't want background checks and that they don't think they work. which is obviously based on a completely unscientific sir vain and it's a completely false set of facts wh
he's a law-abiding citizen. we're not going after law-abiding citizens. as the chief suggested, background checks is to target persons who are prohibited from purchasing and owning firearms. that's who we're going after. and to, you know, have these people talk to us and look us in the eye and say, well, what about the 2%? well, what about, you know, how long it takes to have a background check? what about how inconvenient it is to have a background check? i find that hog wash. americans have...
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law enforcement officials have not confirmed that there were other unsploided bombs. the official confirmation is that there were two devices. to the extent that there were other devices today, isolated and treated in some way by law enforcement, those may have been devices that were investigated as suspect packages and done away with by law enforce. . no arrests have been made. the investigation is now being headed by the fbi in conjunction with other federal and state and local agencies. i want to bring in a young man who is an eyewitness. he was eating with co-workers when he heard the first explosion. so you're about 100 yards away. what did you hear? >> bewere inside the restaurant. heard the first explosion. kind of shook the building a little bit. we kind of wondered what it was. looked outside and saw some smoke. actually ran outside. then the second one blew up about 100 yards from us. >> did they sound like they were about the same size? >> the first one sounded small, because it was a little bit further down the street. i didn't realize until i watched the
law enforcement officials have not confirmed that there were other unsploided bombs. the official confirmation is that there were two devices. to the extent that there were other devices today, isolated and treated in some way by law enforcement, those may have been devices that were investigated as suspect packages and done away with by law enforce. . no arrests have been made. the investigation is now being headed by the fbi in conjunction with other federal and state and local agencies. i...
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out there lingering and people were wondering, well, if there's smoke is there fire here, maybe did law enforcement have some other information to share, in the middle of that scrum and reporters and people just collected at the courthouse, the courthouse ended up getting cleared itself and it was not apparent for awhile why they did that. authorities later said it was a bomb threat that caused the evacuation of the courthouse and the surrounding area and a bomb threat is always scary, perhaps more so right now, but while that was going on today at the federal courthouse in boston, while all the media was gathered there wondering if the inaccurate reports were going to turn out to maybe be accurate, while this was happening today, it added to the media-generated chaos. joining us now, pete williams, who i should tell you, is in the same building i am in but is at another camera because he needs to be close to his desk phone. it truly is that kind of day in the news, pete. thank you very much for being here. >> you bet. >> what do we know about what authorities have been able to find fro
out there lingering and people were wondering, well, if there's smoke is there fire here, maybe did law enforcement have some other information to share, in the middle of that scrum and reporters and people just collected at the courthouse, the courthouse ended up getting cleared itself and it was not apparent for awhile why they did that. authorities later said it was a bomb threat that caused the evacuation of the courthouse and the surrounding area and a bomb threat is always scary, perhaps...
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most americans think that's already the law. and a few minutes ago, 90% of democrats in the senate voted for that idea. but it's not going to happen. because 90% of republicans in the senate just voted against that idea. a majority of senators voted yes to protecting more of our citizens with smarter background checks. but by this continuing distortion of senate rules, a minority was able to block it from moving forward. i'm going to speak plainly and honestly about what's happened here. because the american people are trying to figure out, how can something have 90% support and yet not happen? we had a democrat and a republican, both gun owners, both fierce defenders of our second amendment, with "a" grades from the nra, come together and work together to write a common sense compromise on background checks. and i want to thank joe manchin and pat toomey for their courage in doing that. that was not easy. given their traditional strong support for second amendment rights. as they said, nobody could honestly claim that the packa
most americans think that's already the law. and a few minutes ago, 90% of democrats in the senate voted for that idea. but it's not going to happen. because 90% of republicans in the senate just voted against that idea. a majority of senators voted yes to protecting more of our citizens with smarter background checks. but by this continuing distortion of senate rules, a minority was able to block it from moving forward. i'm going to speak plainly and honestly about what's happened here....
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take away one picture of a man in a baseball cap, that nbc news has learned has been distributed to law enforcement agencies. apparently that video, taken on the official cameras. the surveillance cameras, a local department store. show a man acting suspiciously and dropping a bag in the same area as the second bomb. this is the same place where the local tv station, whdh, had the photographs. one showing what seemed to be almost a garbage bag or grocery store bag. and afterwards, the explosion that went off. there is a manhunt on right now to identify that person in the video. we are told that the company that manufactured is cooperating. they will try to trace where it might have been sold. everything down to the wires that were used. many of them commonly available. less common may be the circuit board that investigators believe they have been used as a timing device. so, all of that is being investigated, trying to be traced, every, single component part. while investigators are still on the scene, even though it has -- they are going over every inch. i wanted to update you quickly,
take away one picture of a man in a baseball cap, that nbc news has learned has been distributed to law enforcement agencies. apparently that video, taken on the official cameras. the surveillance cameras, a local department store. show a man acting suspiciously and dropping a bag in the same area as the second bomb. this is the same place where the local tv station, whdh, had the photographs. one showing what seemed to be almost a garbage bag or grocery store bag. and afterwards, the explosion...
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. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. >> and in dagestan, the suspect's mother is adamant that her sons are innocent. >> what happened is a terrible thing, but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i am mother. >> joining us now from boston is nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. and frank silufo, director of the homeland security policy institute at george washington university. good afternoon, to both of you. mike, as the investigations continue both here and oversea, we understand that investigators are confident these brothers acted alone. even as their family members express utter bafflement. what are we learning about the larger case against these suspects? >> reporter: well first of all, this is looking, martin, more and more like a case of self-radicalization. now, nothing is conclusive and, you know, we're far from the end of this investigation right now. >> of course. of course. >> reporter: but the preliminary indicators, first, you have tsarnaev saying the two
. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. >> and in dagestan, the suspect's mother is adamant that her sons are innocent. >> what happened is a terrible thing, but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i am mother. >> joining us now from boston is nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. and frank silufo, director of the homeland security policy institute at george...
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>> well, i was with my dad, my brother, and my future brother-in-law. my dad actually kind of had us back away from the street a little bit. we were kind of next to a building that had stone pillars that protected us a little bit. a lot of the people in my area just kind of were a little confused and stunned about what was going on. we kind of just stayed in the area trying to figure out what was happening. then as more and more people were coming our way, coming away from the explosion, we started kind of putting two and two together and then we started heading back toward mass avenue and away from the explosions. >> taylor, what we seem to be hearing tonight is there were not a lot of injured or bloody people walking around because most of the injuries were below the waist. most of the injuries were to the legs, so people were disabled, if they were injured. so did you see injured people leaving the scene? >> no, i didn't see any injuries whatsoever. the only injuries i have seen have been via pictures. so that's correct. no one who was injured was wa
>> well, i was with my dad, my brother, and my future brother-in-law. my dad actually kind of had us back away from the street a little bit. we were kind of next to a building that had stone pillars that protected us a little bit. a lot of the people in my area just kind of were a little confused and stunned about what was going on. we kind of just stayed in the area trying to figure out what was happening. then as more and more people were coming our way, coming away from the explosion,...
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we couldn't find my mother-in-law. >> is she okay? >> she's okay. she feels really guilty that she put us through this which is a crazy reaction. don't feel guilty. >> did you locate your wife? >> i did. it's crazy to think she was a few blocks down. on a day that normally is nothing but positive and joyous something positive could occur. >> you ran the race. you were on your way back to the finish line area to plemeet up h a friend. >> i was. i continued to walk and picked up my water bottle and i decided to go back toward the finish to find my friend who was a couple of minutes behind me. i got within a block and then i saw an explosion of white smoke and the loudest noise i've ever heard in my life. even though i was almost a block away the concussion from that was just stunning. it's disorienting. >> did you know it was a bomb or maybe something accidentally? >> no. it was louder than a cannon or anything. after the second blast it was pretty clear. >> did anything seem suspicious. >> no. >> they weren't even letting a pregnant person through. i
we couldn't find my mother-in-law. >> is she okay? >> she's okay. she feels really guilty that she put us through this which is a crazy reaction. don't feel guilty. >> did you locate your wife? >> i did. it's crazy to think she was a few blocks down. on a day that normally is nothing but positive and joyous something positive could occur. >> you ran the race. you were on your way back to the finish line area to plemeet up h a friend. >> i was. i continued to...
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and part of what they need to do is change the number of prosecutions and laws. as anu said and you've heard, the military code of justice does not exactly follow civilian law. and there are reasons it's different. but civilian law was updated a long time ago with respect to how victims should be treated, the issue of privacy. and it's time that the military changes the code of justice and also real prosecution, so that people can feel safe coming forward and telling their story. these are people serving our country in the military. it happens to men and women. but the culture has been, don't you dare come forward, you may lose your job, the pain work may be lost. you will be branded as mentally unstable and interfere with your unit cohesion. all kinds of things that have been drummed into people. and these are hard-working brave, brave, courageous women and men who are serving, who shouldn't have to serve under these conditions. >> the congresswoman makes a good point, ruth, is that men also experience these sexual assaults. i remember the testimony of one man w
and part of what they need to do is change the number of prosecutions and laws. as anu said and you've heard, the military code of justice does not exactly follow civilian law. and there are reasons it's different. but civilian law was updated a long time ago with respect to how victims should be treated, the issue of privacy. and it's time that the military changes the code of justice and also real prosecution, so that people can feel safe coming forward and telling their story. these are...
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this is against the law. the act was passed to prevent and stop this very type of threatening effort. the person he refers to, mr. bray along with mr. leach and mr. roder are all identified with the most extremist wing of the anti-abortion network in this country. that's what he's talking about. it advocates the murder of doctors that provide abortions in an effort to end abortion. this is domestic terrorism. these are not speech issues, which some people say this is his right to free speech. this goes beyond that. it crosses the line into illegal activity under the freedom of access to clinic entrances law. this is a threat. the law says you can't use violence and you cannot use the threat of violence. >> right. >> in an effort to stop the provision of abortion services. >> now, david leach was questioned by the des moines register and he was asked to clarify his statements. here's what he said. he says, opening that same building again is a provocation. it's designed to enrage people. it's not something tha
this is against the law. the act was passed to prevent and stop this very type of threatening effort. the person he refers to, mr. bray along with mr. leach and mr. roder are all identified with the most extremist wing of the anti-abortion network in this country. that's what he's talking about. it advocates the murder of doctors that provide abortions in an effort to end abortion. this is domestic terrorism. these are not speech issues, which some people say this is his right to free speech....
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i won't second-guess the law enforcement community on this one. i do wonder why not. i'm not going to second-guess. >> right now you would lean on the side of get the public's help. if we have pictures. you think some of the concern is what if these aren't the guys or if they're not at 100%, is that the issue you think potentially that they don't want to put these two people on here and what if it turns out they weren't a part of it? >> that's part of the psychology of resistance. you don't want to falsely accuse. i haven't seen videos nor has anyone else. they seem pretty confident that they either were involved directly, indirectly, perhaps had more information about it. for that reason again unless you thought they just suddenly came to the boston area and they hadn't laid down roots, they were not living there, they weren't conducting their personal affairs in the community, releasing it wouldn't do you much good. chances are good there's a presence in or around boston and they went through various activities like all of us do. gas, groceries, apartment, whatever.
i won't second-guess the law enforcement community on this one. i do wonder why not. i'm not going to second-guess. >> right now you would lean on the side of get the public's help. if we have pictures. you think some of the concern is what if these aren't the guys or if they're not at 100%, is that the issue you think potentially that they don't want to put these two people on here and what if it turns out they weren't a part of it? >> that's part of the psychology of resistance....
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they brought together almost 2,000 law enforcement officials. when the president of the united states tells people like myself and massachusetts that you're going to have the whole assets of the united states government to assist you, all those things together give me a very high degree of confidence that we're going to get the person that's responsible and them be brought to justice. that more than any detailed information that really shouldn't be shared with the public right now because it could jeopardyize the information. >> sure. absolutely. congressman, shifting a gears a little bit, how concerned are you and your colleagues on capitol hill and what's sort of the mood? we've heard about these letters which have initially tested positive for ricin. >> well, thank you for asking for that. just so i can include one topic matter. i think the public should be aware, since i've come back, and i think it's the same with the massachusetts members, the amount of compassion and conc n concern, genuine and heartfelt concern from other members of cong
they brought together almost 2,000 law enforcement officials. when the president of the united states tells people like myself and massachusetts that you're going to have the whole assets of the united states government to assist you, all those things together give me a very high degree of confidence that we're going to get the person that's responsible and them be brought to justice. that more than any detailed information that really shouldn't be shared with the public right now because it...
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some of this video and photos were shared with other law enforcement agencies last night. we reported last night about federal law enforcement agencies receiving the photos showing the -- the man with the white baseball cap or off-white baseball cap, but that only goes so far. they were asking have you seen anybody? do you know anybody like this? this f they don't get any instant hits, then they go to the public and that's what we may be seeing this afternoon. >> thank you, michael isikoff, and now i want to bring in james cavanagh, retired agentiev special agent in charge and an msnbc analyst, and i guess the question a lot of people are asking is twofold. at what point could they decide to release this image to the public, and what are they, i guess, points that go into making a decision like this? >> reporter: right, chris. well, that's a great question, and i think the commanders there are doing the exact right thing. they have distributed to their key investigators like mike said, but they really are at the point of decision, and here's what matters. there's always wh
some of this video and photos were shared with other law enforcement agencies last night. we reported last night about federal law enforcement agencies receiving the photos showing the -- the man with the white baseball cap or off-white baseball cap, but that only goes so far. they were asking have you seen anybody? do you know anybody like this? this f they don't get any instant hits, then they go to the public and that's what we may be seeing this afternoon. >> thank you, michael...
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he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical information we have, dzhokhar, who is the surviving suspect here, dzhokhar tsarnaev, is in hospital. tamerlan born in kyrgystan, comes in 2002. he becomes a u.s. citizen, 9/11/2012. he was a wrestler, enrolled at the university of massachusetts-dartmouth. so many friends talking so positively about him. tamerlan, his older brother, does that travel. he comes later than his younger brother. he was mayrried, had a 3-year-od daughter. had a domestic violence incident. he dropped out of community colle college. he was a competitive boxer. people speaking very
he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical...
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that's what the law says. that's what's happening with the faa, with the tsa, with every other alphabet soup agency in government. >> so howard, how badly are people feeling these cuts? there was an atlantic headline yesterday that caught my eye. it said, airports holding up under the crushing weight sequestration. my friend was on a plane yesterday and he said the pilot got on the radio and told the passengers, if the service was bad, blame republicans for the furloughs. now, republicans are blaming obama. there was a hash tag they were trying to get trending, obama flight delays yesterday. i don't know if that worked. >> catchy. >> what effect is all of this, this blame game stuff. what is that going to have on budget politics? >> i think the easy answer, but i think the correct one is that it is a pox on both the houses and the presidency. the fact is people don't distinguish that much for the most part if they're fair-minded. it is true the president suggested using the sequester tool as part of the negoti
that's what the law says. that's what's happening with the faa, with the tsa, with every other alphabet soup agency in government. >> so howard, how badly are people feeling these cuts? there was an atlantic headline yesterday that caught my eye. it said, airports holding up under the crushing weight sequestration. my friend was on a plane yesterday and he said the pilot got on the radio and told the passengers, if the service was bad, blame republicans for the furloughs. now, republicans...
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to be the freest country in the world is to abide by the laws that preserve those freedoms. especially when they are tested. to be a truly equal society. will require much of americans in the coming days and weeks to not bend to the paranoia and fear that make us into them. and as a nation that aims to foster freedom and equality around the around, we should acknowledge that while we mourn the innocent victims of the boston attacks, so, too, should we mourn the individuals in other corners of the world, for whom collateral damage is a way of life. in iraq today, over 30 were killed and a dozen injured. a reminder of the incessant violence that has plagued that country ever since the departure of the last u.s. troops in syria this week, brings talk of a new massacre, killing at least 350, the latest casualties of a conflict in which the number of dead is now rounded up to the nearest thousand. if boston has given america anything, it is a renewed sense of purpose and a chance to strengthen the things that have made us the weakest. dzhokhar tsarnaev will be afforded a civilian
to be the freest country in the world is to abide by the laws that preserve those freedoms. especially when they are tested. to be a truly equal society. will require much of americans in the coming days and weeks to not bend to the paranoia and fear that make us into them. and as a nation that aims to foster freedom and equality around the around, we should acknowledge that while we mourn the innocent victims of the boston attacks, so, too, should we mourn the individuals in other corners of...
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law. united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. this is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go. and when it comes to united states citizens, it is against the law to try them in military commissions. >> and it matters that the white house is treating the idea of holding an american citizen outside of the american legal system as what it is, which is crazy and unacceptable. and it matters that appears to be where americans stand on the issue too. when asked just last week in the midst of the aftermath of the boston bombing, with the images and videos of the horror there, the top of everyone's mind, which worries you more, the government will not go far enough to investigate terrorism because of concerns about constitutional rights, or that it will go too far in compromising constitutional rights in order to investigate terrorism. more people answered they are more worried about the government going too far. today is the first day of a big, important test for us as a country. a test of whether we will as a socie
law. united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. this is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go. and when it comes to united states citizens, it is against the law to try them in military commissions. >> and it matters that the white house is treating the idea of holding an american citizen outside of the american legal system as what it is, which is crazy and unacceptable. and it matters that appears to be where americans stand on the issue too....
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>> nobody does it. >> not all small businesses would be affected by this law, right? a lot of them are upset. why? >> if you have less than $1 million in revenue you are not affected by this. small businesses are split on this. depends who you compete against. if you are a small business doing a lot of sales on the internet and people don't have to pay sales tax, then that's an advantage to you, right? you can be cheaper than walking down the street and buying from a big box store. on the flip side, if you're a small business and you're doing most of your business in your state, then suddenly you're at a disadvantage because someone can buy something online from somebody else and not pay taxes. >> there's an additional concern for you and me which is that if this goes through, not only might we have to pay additional taxes, if these small businesses in particular feel that doing this is extra paperwork and costs them more money, will that cost get passed onto us? >> it's confusing. right now you have to deal with sales tax for one state or the state that you're in if
>> nobody does it. >> not all small businesses would be affected by this law, right? a lot of them are upset. why? >> if you have less than $1 million in revenue you are not affected by this. small businesses are split on this. depends who you compete against. if you are a small business doing a lot of sales on the internet and people don't have to pay sales tax, then that's an advantage to you, right? you can be cheaper than walking down the street and buying from a big box...
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also, the fact we can't even pass a gun trafficking law, a national gun trafficking law that stops gang members from passing gun to gun to gun, who's against that? i don't understand how anybody could be against tough gun trafficking legislation. or background checks for criminals and terrorists. >> it's the same dynamic. but i think the dynamic is going to change. you're in one lane or the other. to get more people to cross lanes we've got to have an election cycle. >> senator bob casey, thank you very much for being on the show today. >> thank you. >>> tomorrow on "morning joe" -- >> i love, mika, the daily news covered it. you flashed. >> yeah. >> and the one last week. right after the lost vote. >> no. i mean, it's just -- absolutely, after the lost vote. >> talking about the cowards on the hill. >> mm-hmm. tomorrow on "morning joe" google executive chairman eric schmidt joins us here onset. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. ♪ [ male announcer ] purpose elevates what we do. raises it to a more meaningful place. makes us live what we do, love what we do and fills o
also, the fact we can't even pass a gun trafficking law, a national gun trafficking law that stops gang members from passing gun to gun to gun, who's against that? i don't understand how anybody could be against tough gun trafficking legislation. or background checks for criminals and terrorists. >> it's the same dynamic. but i think the dynamic is going to change. you're in one lane or the other. to get more people to cross lanes we've got to have an election cycle. >> senator bob...
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>> well, i was -- so i was with my dad, my brother and my future brother-in-law. and my dad actually kind of had us back away from the street a little bit. got us -- we were kind of next to a building that had steel in pillars. and kind of protected us a little bit. a lot of the people in my area just kind of -- we were a little confused and stunned about what was going on. we kind of just stayed in the area. trying to figure out what was happening. and then as more and more people were coming our way, coming away from the explosion, we started putting two and two together. then we started heading back towards mass avenue. and away from the explosions. >> taylor, what we seem to be hearing tonight is that there were not a lot of injured or bloodied people walking around, because most of the injuries were below the waist. most of the injuries seem to have been to the legs. and so people were disabled, if they were injured. so did you see injured people leaving the scene? >> no. i didn't see any injuries whatsoever. the only injuries i seen have been via pictures. s
>> well, i was -- so i was with my dad, my brother and my future brother-in-law. and my dad actually kind of had us back away from the street a little bit. got us -- we were kind of next to a building that had steel in pillars. and kind of protected us a little bit. a lot of the people in my area just kind of -- we were a little confused and stunned about what was going on. we kind of just stayed in the area. trying to figure out what was happening. and then as more and more people were...
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but as you said, we have disp r disparate state laws. each state makes its own laws. >> michael, just the probabilities involved. based on everything you've seen, the devices they've used s, the story that we learned how to do this on the internet. we were kind of inspired by some of these web sites we've gone to with extremist, islamic clerics who are on them and that stuff. is there anything you've heard developed from the suspect where you say, oh, no, that doesn't sound possible? >> this is actually a fairly typical story of home-grown extremists, in my experience. we've had a history of home-grown extremists in the united states having pretty extensive ties here in the united states. of course, the ft. hood shooter, nadal hassan. the basic profile of these two is not really inconsistent with what we've seen. and to your point about the internet, almost every home-grown al qaeda-inspired extremist that we've seen in the united states over the past five to six years has really been affected quite significantly by english-speaking extr
but as you said, we have disp r disparate state laws. each state makes its own laws. >> michael, just the probabilities involved. based on everything you've seen, the devices they've used s, the story that we learned how to do this on the internet. we were kind of inspired by some of these web sites we've gone to with extremist, islamic clerics who are on them and that stuff. is there anything you've heard developed from the suspect where you say, oh, no, that doesn't sound possible?...
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there is a provision that allows in case law that allows for law enforcement to wait if they think there is a national security threat or a danger to the public until they've talked to the person and established there isn't a danger to the public or gotten the information they need. then they can read the miranda rights. that's what the fbi has done in this case. that's what they did in the new york time square bomber. that worked quite well. they talk to him for a while before they read him his rights. then they read him his rights. he kept and he provided very valuable information. we know that the traditional civilian court system founded by the founding fathers can work in this situation. >> let me ask you a couple questions. if the russian government was so concerned about tamerlan as to alert our fbi and our government, and warrant an investigation of him, why are we so sure that dzhokhar is not connected to a cell of some sort back at home that might then make him an enemy combatant and then, two, if he is name an enemy combatant and treated as an everybody me combatant, that does
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if so do you think that law needs to be looked at? >> that is an area that we looked at, as well, when department of homeland security introduced a program that was routinely looking at postings that were done in a publicly available way. we questioned the extent to which government ought to be looking at that kind of information. the privacy officers had some guidelines that allowed that to fall within the correct action but is it different once you have some measure of effectively probable cause to believe that somebody may be inclined towards terrorism? and then they are posting jihadist messages. does that allow you to use a higher level of scrutiny on them? i think these are all issues that are going to be developed as we move forward. >> one thing is what we are doing internally and the other is our relationship with foreign governments. there is an indication that u.s. officials wanted to get more information of activities from tamerlan tsarnaev from the russian government but say they never got back to them. >> you have the ru
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law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that was quite an amazing thing from his perspective about u ultimately knowing what that gets you. >> the existence of that data, the existence of the data in the public sphere, the data being sent to police and the way in which the kind of crowd sourcing amateur investigation was intersecting with, sometimes derailing the official investigation, the way that things that were spotted on an internet thread would end up in an official's e-mail which would then end up back reported out. >> we have lessons about how this might look going
law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that...
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that for the entirety of the law enforcement should be combhited to their efforts. >> court documents contain new details about thursday night's carjacking. the fbi show tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev in cambridge at a gas station where they drove with the owner of the suv they carjacked. one began the carjacking by pointing a gun at the driver and saying, "did you hear about the boston explosion? i did get" the carjacker showed the driver he had bullets in his gun according to fbi and said, "i'm serious." at the shooting in watertown where tamerlan was killed, other explosives were found. a boston police commissioner says that's one reason he thinks the brothers planned other attacks. >> we got to step over some unexploded devices that they threw at the officers and i can only understand from that that they had other targets. they were going other places. >> that's nbc news' pete williams reporting. >>> well, today members of the house will get a top secret briefing on the boston bombings. meanwhile, the head of the senate intelligence committee is demanding the fbi explain why more
that for the entirety of the law enforcement should be combhited to their efforts. >> court documents contain new details about thursday night's carjacking. the fbi show tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev in cambridge at a gas station where they drove with the owner of the suv they carjacked. one began the carjacking by pointing a gun at the driver and saying, "did you hear about the boston explosion? i did get" the carjacker showed the driver he had bullets in his gun according to...
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i play by the laws. i play by the rules. and if i'm playing by the rules, then everybody should have to play by the rules. gun shop owners still can't figure out why they have to check to make sure somebody is not a terrorist or a gang member or a criminal. but gun show don't have to do it and people on the internet don't have to do it. this system is so broken. and every name up there that you're seeing that voted no, they have no excuse. they have no good excuse. they come up with these lame feeble excuses because they are cowarding in the corner and they are afraid of the nra their only two excuses is, one, well, you know, this may lead to a national begun registry. that's a lie because joe manchin specifically put in a piece of the bill that if any of these names were held and any registry were started, the person doing it would be is sent to jail for 15 years. it would be a felony. they would throw them in jail and throw away the key. so that's a lie. so when you hear that in the future, just know whoever is telling you
i play by the laws. i play by the rules. and if i'm playing by the rules, then everybody should have to play by the rules. gun shop owners still can't figure out why they have to check to make sure somebody is not a terrorist or a gang member or a criminal. but gun show don't have to do it and people on the internet don't have to do it. this system is so broken. and every name up there that you're seeing that voted no, they have no excuse. they have no good excuse. they come up with these lame...
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law enforcement did a good job. hearing from folks on scanners and privately, they knew something -- they knew it was something concrete they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy could have easily been killed and don't think of university police that way normally. >> yeah. he was there, i don't know what the sequence was. still some confusion as to whether the robbery was perpetrated by these guys or not. >> i was told it was not. >> we don't know exactly what happened, but clearly he was the point of the speer for us, he is going to be remembered unfortunately for this tragedy. we also have a casualty in mbta, richard donahue seriously wounded. >> this i think begins for us with the deaths that occurred right over here on monday. >> i was so struck, this kid t
law enforcement did a good job. hearing from folks on scanners and privately, they knew something -- they knew it was something concrete they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy could have easily been killed and don't think of...
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at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. woman: everyone in the nicu -- all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days. everything that you thought was important to you changes in light of having a child that needs you every moment. i wouldn't trade him for the world. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. if you're caring for a child with special needs, our innovative special care program offers strategies that can help. >>> at this hour we are waiting for what we expect will be a tweet from the fbi updating the condition of the remaining suspect in the bombings, dzhokhar tsarnaev is in serious condition and also that he has two separate wounds, one to the neck or face that may be preventing him from communicating with police. we are waiting for that update. >> in the meantime there are slowly some signs of boston getting back to normal. the red sox plays today. some of the political campaigning is underway. joining us now is
at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. woman: everyone in the nicu -- all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days. everything that you thought was important to you changes in light of having a child that needs you every moment. i wouldn't trade him for the world. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. if you're caring for a child with special needs, our innovative special care program...
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supported by law enforcement officers. it was a common sense plan, but senator mcconnell ignored the will of the people. >> and democrats who voted against background checks or better background checks for gun buyers are hardly off the hook. the progressive change campaign committee ran this ad in seven newspapers across montana on sunday. this sunday. featuring local gun owners angry about senator max baucus' vote. joining me right now, david axelrod, former obama senior adviser. msnb political analyst and republican strategist john feehery. somehow i have a different attitude towards the republicans and the democrats who voted on this thing. i don't know why it is because i'm not always partisan. but i really do have a problem with mitch mcconnell. i would like to see him get stung hard on this one. why do i think like that? because he tends to be an s.o.b. generally? does anybody like that guy? >> you don't like mr. mcconnell but i like him. >> you like mr. mcconnell. >> i don't think this is going to hurt him. >> you'r
supported by law enforcement officers. it was a common sense plan, but senator mcconnell ignored the will of the people. >> and democrats who voted against background checks or better background checks for gun buyers are hardly off the hook. the progressive change campaign committee ran this ad in seven newspapers across montana on sunday. this sunday. featuring local gun owners angry about senator max baucus' vote. joining me right now, david axelrod, former obama senior adviser. msnb...
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there's a law called the national defense act of 2012 that says specifically u.s. citizens cannot be tried in military tribunals. they're arguing he should be questioned as an enemy combatant and then turned over to the civilian justice system. i don't think this will change their view. and, of course, what the fbi says is this is what he has told them. but they have to now verify this. and of course, they are working to do that. >> all right. nbc justice correspondent pete williams. once again, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> and eugene robinson, thank you, as well. we'll be reading your column in the "washington post." >> and let me ask you quickly. are you surprised your home state of south carolina won on this background check issue is an 86/12 proposition? >> i am not surprised. i am floored. i know that district. and look at it on the map. i mean, if it's 86/12 in that district, then this ought to be over. and politicians ought to take a look at that because that's a very, very conservative swath of the state. and there you have the numbers. it's incredib
there's a law called the national defense act of 2012 that says specifically u.s. citizens cannot be tried in military tribunals. they're arguing he should be questioned as an enemy combatant and then turned over to the civilian justice system. i don't think this will change their view. and, of course, what the fbi says is this is what he has told them. but they have to now verify this. and of course, they are working to do that. >> all right. nbc justice correspondent pete williams. once...
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law enforcement did a good job. we were hearing from folks not only on the scanners but just privately, they knew this was something concrete that they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, the harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy last zplit easily been killed and we don't think of our university police that way normally. >> yeah. he was there, i don't know what the sequence was. still some confusion as to whether the robbery was perpetrated by these guys or not. >> i was told tonight it was not. >> we don't know exactly what happened, but clearly he was the point of the spear last night for us, and he's going to be remembered, unfortunately, for this tragedy. but we also have a casualty among the mbta police department in richard donohue was seriously wounded so -- >> this i think begins for us wi
law enforcement did a good job. we were hearing from folks not only on the scanners but just privately, they knew this was something concrete that they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, the harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy last zplit easily been killed and we...
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one, by a foreign entity, and you have to respect the laws of this land. privacy laws and privileges of certain status individual. he was, in fact, someone who had status. he was documented. he was not a citizen, however. but in our parameters, there are certain guidelines we have to follow. i don't disagree with that. what i would like to see, and this is again in the general domain, is that we make sure that all agencies communicate with each other and if there was information and there was dead silence, a period of lull, a period of nonaction, then i would hope the file could remain open and someone would say, he we tried to get information from russia, at least what is in the public domain now. we try to get information from russia. we haven't heard from them, we will continue to pursue them in spite of any lull in our diplomatic relations. we will continue to work with their law enforcement or intelligence authorities, just to follow up. that is what i call connecting the dots and i want to make it very clear. this does not take away from the very fin
one, by a foreign entity, and you have to respect the laws of this land. privacy laws and privileges of certain status individual. he was, in fact, someone who had status. he was documented. he was not a citizen, however. but in our parameters, there are certain guidelines we have to follow. i don't disagree with that. what i would like to see, and this is again in the general domain, is that we make sure that all agencies communicate with each other and if there was information and there was...
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the sequester was never intended to become law. it was put together to try to force things into people. there's got to be. >> are we going to see reaction on capitol hill? republicans going to try to pass something specific to faa? >> does this mean they are going to try to do a every time there is a problem? >> or do you try to do the big piece? >> i have to go to shameless plugs. >> 50th anniversary for the lawyers committee. go to the website. >> we have to build a workforce. 50% of the governors out there in their state of the union addresses talk about education. >> it's a great study. i know what you are talking about. my republican polling partner did a great analysis of the state of the state education. >> it is not glamorous but essential. >> pete williams. >> here it is. that is the way to look at it. that's it for this edition of "the daily run down" we know there is potentially intriguing breaking news. tomorrow we will talk to congressman mike mccall just hours after he received a top secret briefing. >>> and taking a
the sequester was never intended to become law. it was put together to try to force things into people. there's got to be. >> are we going to see reaction on capitol hill? republicans going to try to pass something specific to faa? >> does this mean they are going to try to do a every time there is a problem? >> or do you try to do the big piece? >> i have to go to shameless plugs. >> 50th anniversary for the lawyers committee. go to the website. >> we have...
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scooter gave up his law practice, his white shoe law firm and everything to serve cheney and everyone in the country in his way. he was talking to everybody for cheney. at the time, cheney stepped back and acted like he had nothing to do with it. which is it, is he a soldier or an outlaw? >> don't forget, he lied for dick cheney. >> i know he did. how can he say it both ways, he wasn't doing our job for us and yet he died as a soldier on the field? your thoughts, wayne, because you brought it up. i don't know much about this relationship. why is he keeping a secret, what cheney told him to do? >> part of the key here is to look at it from cheney's point of view and bush's point of view. cheney believes it and george bush, what he saw at the end of his eighth year tenure who is elbowing him saying come on, the law be damned, let's give this guy a pardon, it was exactly the kind of thing that bush himself found repulsive in the case of other presidents, including bill clinton, he gave some pardons. >> he thought this is something i don't like. it was one guy who was the decider and it w
scooter gave up his law practice, his white shoe law firm and everything to serve cheney and everyone in the country in his way. he was talking to everybody for cheney. at the time, cheney stepped back and acted like he had nothing to do with it. which is it, is he a soldier or an outlaw? >> don't forget, he lied for dick cheney. >> i know he did. how can he say it both ways, he wasn't doing our job for us and yet he died as a soldier on the field? your thoughts, wayne, because you...
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so the fbi does what it says it's able to do under the law. they looked at whether he was in any of the federal databases of suspected terrorists or whether there was any indication that he was communicating either by phone or my looking at internet sites with any suspected terrorist organizations or individuals. they looked at his travel, travel history, all of that came up negative. so then they decided to interview him. they questioned him, questioned members of his family and after doing all that they said we've got nothing here. they said they went back to the russians -- or they went back to the foreign government and said we can't find anything, give us more. tell us more of what you think, why you think this and they say they never got a response. >> the obama administration has okayed the suspension of the suspect's miranda rights. is that a temporary suspension? >> reporter: yes, by law it is. it's called the public safety exception to the miranda rule. normally you have to tell someone they have a right to remain silent and if you d
so the fbi does what it says it's able to do under the law. they looked at whether he was in any of the federal databases of suspected terrorists or whether there was any indication that he was communicating either by phone or my looking at internet sites with any suspected terrorist organizations or individuals. they looked at his travel, travel history, all of that came up negative. so then they decided to interview him. they questioned him, questioned members of his family and after doing...
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and law enforcement officials need to be careful. it's totally legal and proper in case of an imminent threat to waive the miranda rights but they've got to prove, if we want this guy, if he's guilty of going away for a long time or subject to the death penalty. they have to prove not that he placed the backpack on the parade route or the finish line, but he knew what was in it and he knew what was going to happen. that won't be an easy case to prosecute. unless they do everything right and they don't want to find out something before he is been given the miranda right that they cannot then use in trial. >> mike, the aclu has been i think tough and fair-minded about the administration's use of, the aclu's issues with the obama administration and their sort of tactics in the great war on terror. how much do you think that the white house has sort of come around on some of these issues? i mean there's a lot of talk about the expansion of privileges, a continuation of the bush administration tactics. here's a case where they seem to try
and law enforcement officials need to be careful. it's totally legal and proper in case of an imminent threat to waive the miranda rights but they've got to prove, if we want this guy, if he's guilty of going away for a long time or subject to the death penalty. they have to prove not that he placed the backpack on the parade route or the finish line, but he knew what was in it and he knew what was going to happen. that won't be an easy case to prosecute. unless they do everything right and...
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law. the united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live with us right now. i know you've been reviewing these charges. what's the latest on what you've uncovered? >> it is a fairly interesting sequence of things that the government cites here as evidence. first of all they say that there was a surveillance tape that shows what apparently is the second suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, the man in the hospital, placing the bomb at the second bombing. this is unrelated picture to what i'm talking about now. but this is the person we're talking about. but the surveillance tape was taken at the scene of the second bombing. you may recall that there was a restaurant there called the foreign restaurant. they say a surveillance camera there shows him walking up to the restaurant with his backpack
law. the united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live with us right now. i know you've been reviewing these charges. what's the latest on what you've uncovered? >> it is a fairly interesting sequence of things that the government cites here as evidence. first of all they say...
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we have a command post set up for law enforcement. a command post set up for the emergency units also. we also have a triage center. >> what's the status of the plant right snow. >> it's still smoldering. they did not give us an update on it. there is still active, ingredients there on the site. we don't want that to explode again. we're worried about people right now, not property. we want people to be safe. that's our goal right now. get the people safe and get them out of there. >> i do not know right now. it's going to be a number. i can't give you a number right now. there's going to be a number. hopefully at 6:00 a.m. i'll know better. >> early estimates are 50 to 60, 70 maybe? >> i cannot confirm that. i wish i could tell you something. >> firefighters are on fighting the fire right now. it's still smoldering a little bit. they're in the area. they cannot get close to it. toxic fumes coming off the area. >> is there dangerous fumes outside the plant? >> there is. they cleared the area, an eight-block to ten-block area. they mov
we have a command post set up for law enforcement. a command post set up for the emergency units also. we also have a triage center. >> what's the status of the plant right snow. >> it's still smoldering. they did not give us an update on it. there is still active, ingredients there on the site. we don't want that to explode again. we're worried about people right now, not property. we want people to be safe. that's our goal right now. get the people safe and get them out of there....
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so, for example, if they were studying law they would get the head of the largest law firm in beijing to adopt them and see how a law firm work and meet their families and so forth. plus, we are going to have pretty robust program designed by both western academics as well as the professors. >> you got the idea this was west meets east with this program that you're starting. it's interesting, though, as the times reported, rhodes wanted everybody in the british empire to come to great britain and study. you now have seen the paradigm shift that people have been seeinging coming for 30 years now. you started it in china. why in china instead of boston or los angeles? >> i think the economic center of the world is clearly moving to asia. you have the second largest country in the world, china, the third largest, japan. and you can see that the trend is somewhat inexorable. one of the reasons for this in terms of doing a major program is that if china continues growing at double or triple the rate of the western countries and creating 10 million jobs a year, whereas, there is virtually n
so, for example, if they were studying law they would get the head of the largest law firm in beijing to adopt them and see how a law firm work and meet their families and so forth. plus, we are going to have pretty robust program designed by both western academics as well as the professors. >> you got the idea this was west meets east with this program that you're starting. it's interesting, though, as the times reported, rhodes wanted everybody in the british empire to come to great...
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at that point certainly we should be talking about notifying local law enforcement and other agencies. the other agencies were aware of this. i think, you know, in a case like this, it's always easy to look back and say well, they did this wrong or did that wrong. so far i got to be honest with you, i haven't seen any evidence of that. there was some question about whether we got the proper notification to the airport when tamerlan came back into the united states. the question is would that have mattered because there still wasn't anything in the file to indicate that he was going to be a problem. now, having said all that, clearly one of my principles of leadership is you always do an after action assessment and you say what worked and what didn't work? there may be some systems things that we need to work out here. i don't know. it's a legitimate question to discuss as to whether every one of those 20,000 tips and even those that come up negative are passed to local law enforcement. at some point this is america. >> independent senator angus king of maine. thank you for your time.
at that point certainly we should be talking about notifying local law enforcement and other agencies. the other agencies were aware of this. i think, you know, in a case like this, it's always easy to look back and say well, they did this wrong or did that wrong. so far i got to be honest with you, i haven't seen any evidence of that. there was some question about whether we got the proper notification to the airport when tamerlan came back into the united states. the question is would that...
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and that's what law enforcement is going to determine. there could be individuals who knew them, knew of them but had no reason to believe that they were going to do anything violent. those are some of the most pressing questions right now. so i mean there's three categories here -- the first is bring tsarnaev to justice, hopefully alive. identify any additional packages that could be ieds in the greater boston area. and then third, identify any individuals, other potential suspects or people of interest they just want to question. to understand what the broader conspiracy might have been. >> nbc news terrorism analyst, roger cressey. thanks for your time. >>> i want to bring in nbc's michael isikoff. who is with us in watertown. michael, we were seeing some helicopter activity in the skies over there. we know that there is a no-fly zone over much of boston. the city is on lockdown. can you give us an update? >> exactly, alex. for about the last 15 minutes we've had military style helicopters circling above us here. this is where we are i
and that's what law enforcement is going to determine. there could be individuals who knew them, knew of them but had no reason to believe that they were going to do anything violent. those are some of the most pressing questions right now. so i mean there's three categories here -- the first is bring tsarnaev to justice, hopefully alive. identify any additional packages that could be ieds in the greater boston area. and then third, identify any individuals, other potential suspects or people...
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